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2013-10-01

David Nordal最新訪問談MJ——什麼才是真正的他

來源:mjjcn.com 翻譯 shell88


 畫家大衛.諾達爾是邁克爾20年的朋友,8月時他剛在加里與歌迷一起回憶MJ最近又接受了舞之思Reflections on the Dance)博客的博主Deborah的訪問,透露了許多MJ在生活中不為人知的一面。讓我們看看一個正常的、正直的人是如何評論MJ的,忘了那些自我混亂的前前妻、心懷叵測的親朋好友,看看什麼才是真朋友、真君子,誰在他患難時不離不棄?





大衛.諾達爾:
我從未遇到過比邁克爾更適應良好或更正常的人,他就是一個普通人,如此智慧、如此聰明而又如此正常。


他絕對是一個極好的父親。我從未遇到過象邁克爾一樣好或更好的父母。他的孩子們絕對快樂,我一生中從未碰到過這樣的孩子。我與他們相處了很多時間,從未聽到他們哭,從未聽到他們乞求什麼東西,從未看到或聽到他們大發脾氣。

他是如此真誠、溫暖和關愛。我和邁克爾認識幾乎20年了,我從未聽到他對別人提高音調,從來沒有,他就是一個好人,真真正正的好人。

邁克爾每年都會遭遇50-60次敲詐勒索,大部分是有關父親身份的,女人宣稱邁克爾是她們的孩子的父親;還有一堆是跟音樂有關的,有些人寫了歌曲或其他什麼的,他們宣稱邁克爾偷了他們的音樂或歌詞。所有這些上法庭時都遭到拒絕,因為他們拿不出支持證據。

邁克爾花費3億多美金,用來幫助兒童,支付他們的手術費用,修建醫院設施、孤兒院、燒傷中心……等等等等。他從不談起自己做的好事,你總是從他身邊的人聽說,因為邁克爾總是認為:如果你做了善事,然後談論它或吹噓它,你們你所嘗試做的好事就變成無效了。所以他從不說這些事情。

我問他:“邁克爾,你是怎麼做的?你怎麼能做到花時間與這些即將死去的孩子在一起,然後又回去登臺完成那樣的演出?”他說:“我為什麼不能?如果這些孩子想要見我。我知道我並不重要,重要的是超級明星邁克爾.傑克遜,如果我能讓一個孩子多活一分鐘、一小時、一天或一個月,那不是很值得嗎?”

邁克爾一直是這樣的。如果有人給他打電話說一個孩子將要死去,他就會乘上飛機前去,並且告訴他們“我過兩個星期再來看你。”許多次他用這種方法延長了那些小孩子的生命,給了他們可以期待的東西。你不得不欽佩這樣的事。

邁克爾告訴我:“我們被送到地球上來是帶著使命的”他說,“我來這的目的就是幫助孩子們。”我遇到他時,他29歲,一直到去世,他都是這樣的,從來沒有變過。邁克爾有著令人難以置信的體諒,尤其是受傷或生病或被忽視的孩子們。在他一生中,他腦子裏總想著那些饑餓的、無家可歸的人們。然後他遭遇那樣可怕的指控,突然阻擋了他的路,10年後又發生一次時,他被壓垮了,絕對被壓垮了。

跟他在一起非常有趣,並不都是黑暗。我們盡情大笑,他有著很強的幽默感,喜歡惡作劇……我們在路上走時,他會突然開始唱歌,但聽起來不像邁克爾.傑克遜,而像洗澡中的男人,就是唱著。我不喜歡看到他的生活失去歡樂,因為他是非常快樂的人。他是快樂的人,和他在一起非常有趣。

他有紅色的燈芯絨襯衫、黑色的褲子,平底便鞋後面都破了。我認識他期間,這就是他大部分時間的穿著方式,當他不在公眾露面時。

他過得非常簡單。邁克爾從不戴珠寶、沒有戒指、沒有腰帶,沒有手錶,什麼也沒有。他只在舞臺上戴這些。他生活方式如此簡單令我印象深刻。

我們多次談論過他的外貌。他有著那種內心的光芒,他總認為自己很醜,他說他不是一個英俊的男人,“這就是為什麼我不做訪問,我不去脫口秀。”他說,“首先,我的生活很無趣,我整天就是工作”(他就是那樣的,整天工作)。

他從未真正知道,他有著那種內心的光芒。

坐在那裏和邁克爾交談時,我會凝望他的眼睛,我能看到1000英里 深。他有著最無與倫比的眼睛。他的眼睛拍攝起來很好看,但遠不能和真人相比。當你真正坐在那裏看著他,他的眼睛令人不可置信。有時我忘了正在進行的事,有時我在他身邊卻忘了他是誰,然後突然明白過來……我坐在邁克爾.傑克遜身邊!我永遠無法抗拒。有時他會跳一些小而快的舞步,就像在點亮世界,它們如此快、如此精確、如此神奇。

我不知道那些人是否在編造或是收錢去說某些事、或收錢作訪談。(很多人出錢想讓納達爾先生作訪談,他都拒絕了)只要我說的是他們想談的,他們就想作訪問。有很多金錢飄在那裏,比如《明星雜誌》的人,帶著一箱錢到處旅行。

(被問到藥物)在邁克爾身上我從未見過藥物或酒精的影響,或是類似的事情,我在一天中不同的時段都見到他,早晨、夜晚,一整天,他一直完全正常,一直是他自己。所以我不知道。

在最後兩年,如果他遭遇了什麼,我不瞭解。關於邁克爾有太多錯誤資訊,除了我個人瞭解的,我都不相信。人們非常樂於上電視,我不知道是為什麼,但他們太樂於提供消息。
邁克爾常常被激怒,他說:“我看見我的髮型師的訪談,她在談論我。但我的髮型師根本不知道我的事。”

他使自己保持離群,我成為他真正的好朋友,我們可以談論一切可能的事。但對大多數人,邁克爾不會這樣,害怕別人轉身又告訴他人那些私密的事。我從不這樣,與他交往時我從不接受訪問或類似的事。他和我在一起感覺舒適,覺得可以和我談事情而我不會說出去。

我從來沒有聽到邁克爾抱怨他自己的事,比如他的健康或其他的事情。他操心的總是他的孩子,即便他在上一次審判中面臨牢獄之災的可能,每次他說起來,如此擔心“我的孩子們會怎樣?”他一次也沒有說過“我會怎麼樣?我呢?”他不是那種自我中心的人,他總是想著別人。
我對他說:“你為什麼容忍他們編造有關你的垃圾呢?”他說:“首先,如果你要在這個行業,你得有一定的可見度,這就是他們做的。不論你說什麼,都不能阻止這些人做這些事。”但是,由於他沒有及早說話,也導致了災難。

他們對待他時,從不尊重這個事實:他是一個人類,他的一生都是基於做好事。你們怎能對這個可憐的人做這些?

邁克爾會說:“我如此幸運,上帝選擇我來賦予這麼多天才,我必須用在正確的地方。“他總是說,“我可能在加油站工作。”他總是對自己被賦予的天才心懷敬畏,心懷感激,覺得擁有了特權,並想以正確的方式使用,這就是他一生中所做的。

那時我有許多時間與他在一起,尤其是在2003那件事情後。他不能睡眠,邁克爾通常試圖在11點休息,有時他睡著了,但即便如此,他會再度醒來。他總是問我,“我叫醒你沒關係吧?”我說:“哦,呀,來敲我的門吧。”他就真的來了,然後又總是擔心:“哦,那你不能睡覺了。”我說:“好吧,如果我太累的話,會在下午打個小盹。”我們就在半夜到處徘徊,直至清晨來臨。

[大衛問邁克爾是否駕駛過那輛奶油色的賓利(韓國政府的禮物)]……“不,不,不,我從沒開過它。”

它太奢華了。那不是邁克爾,不是邁克爾的風格。

他絕對愛這個莊園,這是他能行走的地方。它有2700或2900英畝 大,我們可以開車巡遊,可以開高爾夫球車,可以在森林中漫步,不用擔心會被粉絲撞倒或其他的事,他可以做他自己。

許多孩子來到莊園,所有那些遊樂項目和每一個地方都有輪椅可用,一切都改良過,遊樂專案也被改良了。他修了特殊的柵欄,以防胳膊或頭髮卡進去。他關心安全問題,運行遊樂專案的員工每6個月到坎薩斯城進行特殊的培訓,以便能幫助身體殘疾的孩子。所有的設施都考慮周到,甚至在劇院裏,有兩個帶玻璃牆的房間,裏面有醫院的病床,這樣病重的孩子能坐在病床上看電影。他考慮到了一切。

(有關他的皮膚)當然,我注意到了,因為他沒有用任何化妝品,我注意到了白癜風。在他的右側臉部,向下延伸到脖子,還有他的手背,我不記得是哪一邊了,我不知道胳膊的程度怎樣,因為他穿著長袖襯衫,但我注意到了白癜風。隨著時間流逝,白癜風不斷擴大,那對他來說很艱難,因為他得在公眾場合露面,得表演,他得用適當的化妝,因為……他的皮膚是白的,不是白人那種白,而是白得象冰箱,雪白雪白的。開始時,他用深色的化妝來遮蓋,但病情發展後,把白色皮膚的部分化成其餘皮膚的顏色越來越難,他不得不採用越來越淺的化妝。

當然媒體因此而攻擊他,說他想變成白人。這遠不是事實,邁克爾從來不想變白人,他為自己及自己的出身感到驕傲,但他別無選擇。有一件事他從未做過,那就是他從不抱怨,雖然他有充分的理由來抱怨。

(某個時候大衛正在為邁克爾畫一幅畫)

他問我完成了嗎,我說快了,正要收尾,他說“能送過來讓我看看嗎?”

我說“當然,我可以。”於是我開車到錄音室,當我走進去時他抓著我說:“進來這裏。”我們進了一個像是儲藏室的地方。於是我們站在儲藏室裏,他說:“那些人對我抓狂了。”我說:“發生了什麼?”

那裏有Slash,Jimmy Jam,這些頂級音樂家,他們習慣於一次錄好音軌。邁克爾讓他們錄音直到淩晨3-4點鐘!一遍又一遍地錄同樣的片段,他們都精疲力竭了。邁克爾沒有探索過所有的方法是不會舒服的,你知道我的意思嗎?

他必須知道是否有途徑可以做到更好一點。他不是為自己而做,而是為了歌迷們。我從未遇到一個人,如此操心他的歌迷們。他舉行的演出、演唱會,必須得是盡可能最好的。他希望人們花錢有所值。

他有孩子後就改變了生活方式。他如此關心他們的安全,擔心他們被綁架被傷害,或是因為贖金成為人質。

戴安娜王妃去世時,他打電話給我。他徹底震驚了,說:“那也可能是我。”他說:“我們被追逐得這麼多。”他非常擔心。他擔心孩子們會發生嚴重事故,這就是為什麼他讓孩子們戴面罩,他不想人別人知道他們是什麼樣。

我在丹佛問他:“你有解決方法了嗎?”他說,“沒有,我應該有方法,不是嗎?”他真的感到愧疚。Friendship & A Paintbrush我說:“嘿,不論你做了什麼都起了作用。”
Friendship & A Paintbrush
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/interviewwithdavidnordahl.html



 

Friendship & A Paintbrush Two genuises in their own right find friendship & a bond through similar backgrounds & a shared appreciation of one another's art
By Deborah L. Kunesh
Copyright 2010 by Deborah L. Kunesh

David Nordahl is perhaps most well-known for his commissioned artwork for Michael Jackson.  Having served as Michael's portrait artist from 1988 to 2005. 
David is an acclaimed artist in his own right, known for his apache and fantasy paintings and the amazing scenes that Michael commissioned for his Neverland home.  David's paintings are also loved and owned by the likes of Steven Spielberg and others.
In addition to being Michael's portrait artist and good friend, David also spent a lot of time with Michael and his children, accompanied them on family vacations and shared many personal conversations with the man known to the world as the King of Pop.
Unbenownst to many, David was also involved in developing the park and rides at Neverland, and worked with Michael on other projects as well.
Here, David opens up about his friend of over 20 years in a very candid interview.

 
Mr. Nordahl, outside of being a creative, artistic genius himself, is also one of the warmest, most down-to-earth people I've met.  I can very much see why he and Michael remained friends for over 20 years.
"I never saw Michael with the effects of doing any kinds of drug or alcohol or anything like that, and I saw him all different times of the day.  Early in the morning, late at night, all during the day.  He was always totally normal.  Totally there.  So I don't know."  



 
"Michael would get between 50 and 60 extortion attempts per year.  Most of them were paternity.  Women claiming that Michael was the father of their child, and a whole bunch of other ones were over music.  Somebody had written a song or something and they claimed that Michael had stolen their music or their words.  All of those things got thrown out of court because once they got to court, they couldn't back it up."



I've never met anybody who was more well-adjusted or more normal.  He was just such a normal guy.  So intellectual and so bright and so normal. 
He was an absolutely fabulous father.  I've never met a parent that is as good or better than Michael.  Those kids were an absolute delight!  I've never met kids in my life that were like those kids.  I spent a lot of extended time around them.  I never heard them cry, I never heard them beg for anything, never saw or heard them throw a fit..."

 
"He was just so genuine and so warm and so caring.  All of the time I knew Michael, almost 20 years, I never ever heard him raise his voice at anybody.  Never happened.  He was just such a good person.  Just a really deep-down good person."



 
"The Storyteller" by David Nordahl
What David Had to Say About His Friend Michael:


 

The Difference He Made
"Michael spent a third of a billion dollars on helping children, paying for surgeries, building hospital wings, orphanages, a burn center and on and on and on.  The good things he did he would never talk about them.  You'd always have to hear it from people who were around him because Michael always thought if you did a charitable act and then you talked about it or bragged about it or something, all of the good you're trying to do, that it negated all of that.  So he never would talk about those things."

 When a little boy died in his presence/Michael's amazing love of children
"I asked him, 'Michael, how can you do that?  How can you spend the time with these children who are dying and then go from that, on stage and give that kind of performance?'  He said, 'How could I not?  If these children want to see me.  I know I'm not important, but Michael Jackson the superstar is, and if I can make a child live an extra minute or an hour or a day or a month, then wouldn't that be worth it?'

Michael was always that way.  If he would get a call from somebody and a child was dying, he would get on a plane and go and he would tell them, 'I'm going to be back in 2 weeks to see you,' and a lot of times he extended little kids' lives that way.  It gave them something to look forward to down the line.  You have to admire something like that."
 
Michael and burn victim
Dave Dave

Michael's purpose
"Michael told me, 'we're all put on earth to do something'  He said 'I was put here to help children.'  Which he did from the time I met him, he was 29 when I met him, that was what his life was all about.  It was that way all the way up to the time he died.  Michael never changed.  Michael had incredible empathy, especially (for) children that were injuried or sick or neglected.  There were people that were hungry and homeless and that was always in the front of his mind his whole life, and then to be accused of something so horrific, it just stopped him in his tracks and then when it happened again 10 years later, the man was devastated, absolutely devastated."
 
Though Michael disparaged his own looks...His Inner Light & Those Eyes
 
"Oh God no.  We had many talks about that (his looks).  He had that inner light and he always considered himself to be extremely ugly.    He said he's not a handsome man.  'That's why I don't do interviews and I don't go on talk shows.'  He said 'First of all, I don't lead an interesting life, I work all of the time' (and that's what he did, he worked all of the time).
He never did really understand that he had that inner light.
Sitting and talking to Michael I would look into his eyes and I could see for 1,000 miles.  He had these most incredible eyes.  They come off good on film, but nothing like in person.  When you're actually sitting across there looking at him.  Those eyes were unbelievable.  There were times it would just stop me in my tracks and there were times I'd be around him where I'd kind of forget who he was and then it would dawn on me....'I'm sitting here next to Michael Jackson.'  I never really got over that.  There were times he would do these quick little step things and they were like lightening.  It was just so quick, so precise and just amazing."

He wasn't a "me" kind of person.  He was always thinking about other people
"I never, ever heard Michael complain about himself, about his health or anything else.  Any concerns he had were always about his kids.  Even when he was facing prison in the last trial, any time he talked about that, he was so concerned, 'what's going to happen to my kids.'  But never once did he say 'what's going to happen to me?  how about me?'  He wasn't a "me" kind of person.  He was always thinking about other people."

Michael and the tabloids
"(I would say to him) 'Why do you let them make up all of this crap about you?' and he said, 'first of all, if you're going to be in this business and you're going to be as visible as I am, these are the things they do.  No matter what you say, you're not going to stop these people from doing this stuff.'  But, that also led to his downfall because he did not speak up early enough."


"They treated him without any respect for the fact that he's a human being and his whole life has been based on doing good deeds.  Like, how can you do that to this poor man?"

Michael appreciated his blessings & never took them for granted
"Michael would say, 'I'm so fortunate that God chose me to have this talent and I have to use it in the right way.'  He always said, 'I could be working at a gas station.'  He always was (in awe he was given that) and always grateful and felt priveledged that he was given this talent and so wanting to use the gift that he gave the right way, which he did and he did it his whole life."




"He absolutely loved the ranch.  It was the place that he could go.  It was 2700 or 2800 acres.  We could drive around, we could drive golf carts, we could walk in the woods, and not worry about fans trying to run him down or anything.  He could just by himself."

Michael thought of everything, including the safety of all of the kids who visited Neverland
"The children that came to the ranch...all the rides and everything there was wheelchair accessible.  Everything was modified.  All the rides were modified too.  He had extra cages built so arms couldn't flop out or hair couldn't flop out and get caught in something.  He was concerned about the safety.  Hte guys that ran the rides...they went to Kansas City every 6 months and took special training to be able to extracate physically challenged children.  All those bases were covered and even up in the theatre, there were 2 rooms and there were glass walls that had hospital beds set up so that critically ill children could sit in the hospital bed and watch the movie.  He thought of everything."

Vitiligo, Makeup & The Press
"Then of course, I noticed, because he didn't have any makeup on, I noticed the Vitiligo.  It was on the right hand side of his face and down his neck and also on the back of his hand.  I don't remember which one.  I don't know how far it went up his arm because he had a long sleeve shirt on, but I noticed the Vitiligo and as time went on, the Vitiligo spread and spread and spread and it was difficult for him when he had to appear in public or perform, to get the right kind of makeup, because...that skin was white, not like Caucasian white.  It was white like a refrigerator, snow white.  In the beginning, he did use darker makeup to cover that, but then as it spread, it got more and more difficult to make that white skin the color of the rest of his skin, so he would have to go to lighter and lighter and lighter makeup. 

Of course the press got on him about that, about trying to be white.  Which is the farthest thing from the truth.  Michael never wanted to be white.  He was proud of who he was and where he came from, but he had no choice.  He one thing he never ever did, he never complained about it.  He had every right to."


 
The Kids, Lifestyle & The Masks
"The way he lived changed as soon as he got the kids.  He was so concerned about their safety.  He always worried they would be kidnapped or harmed in some way or taken hostage for ransom.
He called me when Diana died over in London and he was just totally freaked out.  He said, 'That could have been me.'  He said, 'We get chased so much,' and he was so worried.  He was worried the kids would have a terrible accident, so that's why he kept the kids masked because he didn't want anyone to know what they looked like."





 
 
"He was so much fun to be around.  It wasn't all darkness.  We'd laugh so much.  He had a great sense of humor, loved practical jokes....We'd be walking along and he'd break out into song.  But not like Michael Jackson.  He would sing like it was a man in the shower, just singing.  I hated to see that joy go out of his life because he was a very joyful person.  He was a happy person and just great fun to be around."
First Meeting
"He had a red corduroy shirt and black pants on and loafers that were kind of broken down in back.  That's the way he dressed most of the time when I knew him.  When he wasn't in public."
"He lived so simply.  Michael never wore any jewelry, no rings, no belts, no watches, nothing, ever.  The only time he wore those things were onstage.  I was just so impressed with how simply he lived."
 



Michael and Friendship and the question about drug use
"I don't know if people are making things up or if they've been paid to say things, to give interviews."  (Mr. Nordahl was offered many paid interviews, which he declined).  "(They wanted to do the interview) as long as what I talked about was what they wanted to talk about.  So there was a lot of money floating around.  Like Star Magazine was traveling around with briefcases full of cash.

I never saw Michael with the effects of doing any kinds of drug or alcohol or anything like that, and I saw him all different times of the day.  Early in the morning, late at night, all during the day.  He was always totally normal.  Totally there.  So I don't know.
The last couple of years, if that happened to him, I don't know.  There's so much misinformation about Michael, except for anything I know personally, I just don't trust it.  People are so willing to, I guess to get on TV.  I don't know what it is, but they're just so willing to offer information.

It used to piss Michael off because he would say things like 'I saw an interview with my hairdresser and she's talking about me and my hairdresser doesn't know anything about me!'

He kept himself really separated and I got to be really good friends with him so we talked about just about everything that was possible, but for most people, Michael did not do that, just out of fear of people turning around and talking with someone else about it.  Private things.  I never did.  I never gave into those interviews or anything during that time.  He felt comfortable with me.  He felt we could talk about things and I wouldn't turn around and talk about things that we were talking about, to other people."

Accusations, Insomnia & True Friendship

  "I spent a lot of time with him during that time, especially after that 2003 thing, and he couldn't sleep.  Michael usually tried to turn in around 11 o'clock and sometimes he'd fall asleep, but even if he did, he'd wake up again and so he'd always ask me, 'is it okay if I wake you up?' and I said 'Hell, yah, come bang on my door," which he would do, and then he would always worry.  He said, 'Oh, you're not getting any sleep,' and I said 'Well, if I'm too tired, I'll go grab a nap in the afternoon.'  We'd just hang out like that in the middle of the night until morning came."

A cream-colored Bentley as a gift from the Korean Government & Michael's true nature
When David asked if he had ever driven it...."no, no, no, I've never driven it."
"It was too flashy.  That just wasn't Michael.  It wasn't the way Michael was.


Nordahl's "Field of Dreams"

 
"Field of Dreams" displayed in Michael's dining room



 A painting, a store room and Slash

David was working on a painting for Michael at the time.
"He asked if I finished it and I said that I'm just about done.  I'm just kind of wrapping it up and he said, 'Would you mind driving it over so I can see it?'
I said 'Sure, I'll do that.'  So I drove over to the recording studio and when I walked in there he grabbed me and said, 'Come on in here," and there was like a store room.  So we're standing in this store room and he said 'Those guys are mad at me,' and I said, 'What happened?'

This is Slash, Jimmy Jam was there.  All these top flight musicians and these guys are used to laying down a track one time.  The first time they nail it.  Michael's keeping them there till 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning!  Going over and over and over the same passages, you know?  Just wearing them out.  Michael didn't feel comfortable until he had explored every avenue, you know what I mean?

He had to know if there was a way he could make it a little bit better.  He did that not for himself.  He did it for his fans.  I never met a man who was so consumed with how his fans were being treated.  The shows he put on, the concerts,  they had to be the best they could possibly be.  He wanted people to get their money's worth."




Pump You UP...A moment of humor & guilt

"I asked him up in Denver , 'do you work out?' and he said 'no, I should, shouldn't I?'  He was really guilty about it.  I said, 'Hey, whatever you're doing is working"


Nordah's "Camelot" depicting Michael and Lisa Marie Presley

 

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