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2013-09-20

2003年傑克遜案件後首次訪談

邁克爾·傑克遜中國網 by Chan/Keen/Little-Susie 20031228


Michael Jackson猥褻兒童案(於20031220日 正式指控)後首次接受的電視采訪在美國哥倫比亞電視臺(CBS)著名記者Ed Bradley60分鐘節目中亮相。節目於美國東部時間1228號星期日晚7點播出。采訪錄制時間是1225日 星期四晚,地點是在一間位於洛杉磯的酒店裏。這位巨星當時被指控對一14歲以下兒童有不當行為。 其實Bradley在騷擾案發生前就一直聯絡Jackson想做一次采訪,他甚至於今年二月份的時候還趕去了一趟Neverland,但由於JacksonMartin Bashir記錄片的怒氣未消,並失去了作訪談節目的信心,所以當時該計劃最終沒能成行。不過現在Bradley終於得償所願。

(旁白:在流行音樂之王Michael Jackson的絕大部分人生中,公眾一直對他非凡的音樂才華具有極大的好奇心;而最近幾年,人們對他的行為產生了興趣。兩個星期前,他被正式指控猥褻一名曾是他朋友的13歲癌癥男童,這也許是他一生中最黑暗的時期。假設罪名成立,他將會被監禁20年。他現在已獲保釋且正在等候庭審。今晚,Michael Jackson將打破沉默,首次公開談論他的被捕、原告以及針對他的指控。 聖誕夜,我們和Michael在洛杉磯的一家酒店裏坐了下來。這裏是他被聖芭芭拉當局正式指控幾項猥褻罪和兩項使用興奮藥劑(據報道為酒精飲料)後幾個到訪過的城市之一。)

Ed Bradley
(以下簡稱EB):你對聖芭芭拉地方檢察官指控你騷擾了那個男孩有什麼反應?

Michael Jackson
(以下簡稱MJ):完全是子烏虛有,我寧願切掉我的手腕,也不會去傷害一個孩子,我絕不會傷害一個孩子,那完全是謊言,我感到極其憤怒。我絕不可能去幹那樣的事。

EB
那孩子你認識?

MJ
是的。

EB
你能說一下你和那孩子是什麼關系嗎?

MJ
我幫助過許多,許多,許多孩子,成千上萬個孩子,身患癌癥的孩子,患白血病的孩子,而他只是他們中的一個。 (旁白:Michael Jackson說控告他的人是他邀請到他在加州的2600畝的Neverland牧場玩的成千上萬個孩子中的一個,他們在遊樂場裏玩,去參觀他的動物園,看電影,玩電子遊戲,享用他們喜愛的食物。Jackson說他第一次遇見那男孩是在一年前,然後決定要幫他一起戰勝癌癥。)

MJ
讓我如實地告訴你,當我第一次看到他時,他由於化療頭發已經掉光了,頭皮雪白雪白的,非常瘦,像是得了厭食癥,沒有眉毛和睫毛。而且他很虛弱,我不得不把他從房子裏抱到游戲房,或者把他放在輪椅上,試著給他一個童年,一次生命。因為我們同病相憐,我小時候也沒有過童年。你知道嗎,所以,我知道那是怎樣的一種感受。不是生病,而是沒有一個童年。所以,我的心和那些孩子們在一起,我同樣感到他們的病痛。 (旁白:Jackson說他試圖在治療過程中幫這孩子,他帶著這孩子到處逛Neverland牧場,還帶他去Jackson喜歡的地方。)

MJ
他從未爬過樹,而我正好在Neverland裏有這麼一棵樹,我稱它為靈感樹,因為我喜歡爬到樹上寫歌,我在那上面寫了許多歌,——所以,我說,你一定要爬樹,那是男孩時代應有的一部分,你一定要做。然後,我扶著讓他爬上去,當他在爬,爬上去時,我們坐在樹枝上往下看,簡直美極了,不可思議,他也喜歡那樣。給他一次擁有生命的機會,你知道。因為他被告知他不久就要離開這世界了。他們告訴了他,他們要他父母為他準備後事。那太糟糕了,我給他實施了個計劃,我曾經幫很多孩子們那樣做,我給他實施了個精神上的計劃。 (旁白:那孩子相信Jackson的友好和要幫他戰勝癌癥的支持,在去年2月份一個英國記者的紀錄片裏,那孩子說他在Jackson家過了很多夜,還睡在他的臥室裏。

Jackson
原告Gavin(摘自英國紀錄片)有天晚上,我問他我能否留在他臥室裏,然後他讓我呆在他的臥室裏,然後我說,‘Michael,你可以睡在床上,而他說,不,不,你睡床吧。然後他最後說,好吧,如果你愛我的話,你就睡在床上吧,然後,哦,天哪。最後我睡到了床上。這些話,再加上Jackson承認他和許多孩子們同床睡過的話,驅使洛杉磯兒童家庭服務部展開對Jackson的調查,他們質詢了孩子和他的母親,問他們Jackson是否性騷擾過孩子。根據該機構後來的一份檔表明,孩子否認曾遭性虐待,而這項敏感案件的調查的結果也以疏忽和性虐待的指控是毫無根據的而告終。 在接下來的幾個月內,孩子的家人和Jackson的關系開始惡化,據這家人的親戚說孩子的母親懷疑Jackson讓癌癥還未康復的孩子服用酒精飲料。最終,她向地方檢察官報告了此事,導致了檢察官辦公室和聖芭芭拉郡員警們的大規模調查。)

EB
當你被帶往警察局,被銬上手銬,拍下罪犯登記照,你知道全世界都會看到,當時你腦子裏有什麼想法?

MJ
他們這樣做是想貶損我,想讓我名譽掃地,但是整個過程我都捱過來了,最後,我,我想讓大家知道我很好,即使我受了些傷。
 



EB
他們逮捕你時有什麼事發生嗎?他們對你幹了什麼?

MJ
他們本該進來後,就驗了下我的指紋,然後在整個過程中就像他們對待別的犯人一樣對待我。但他們對我非常粗暴,我的肩膀脫臼了,可以說,我傷的很重。我一直都感到很痛,看這只手臂?我只能伸到這麼高,這邊也一樣。

EB
這都是由於在警察局受的傷?

MJ
是的,是的,在警察局,他們對我幹的一切——如果——如果你看到他們對我的手臂幹的一切——他們所做的一切太過分了,現在還腫的很厲害。我不想說了,你會明白的,你會明白的。

EB
他們是怎麼對你的?我是說,身體上,他們都幹了點什麼?

MJ
用手銬,他們把我的手緊緊得銬在背後。

EB
你的背後。

MJ
是的,他們還特意銬在了一個我背後的特殊位置上,他們知道那個位置會傷得到我,傷得到我的背。現在我動不了。我————我痛得晚上都難以入睡。我晚上睡不著。 (旁白: Jackson還補充道……

MJ
當時,我想用衛生間。他們說,沒問題,就在那邊那個角落。我一進去,他們就鎖上了門,把我在裏面關了45分鐘。裏面尿渣糞渣滿墻、滿地、滿天花板都是。臭得要命。然後有一個員警走過窗邊,諷刺地問我,味道怎麼樣啊?好聞嗎?喜歡這種味道嗎?還不錯吧?我就簡單地回答道,還行,還行。然後我就坐在裏面,靜靜等待。

EB
關了你45分鐘?

MJ
是的,45分鐘左右。然後一個員警過來說,噢,你很快就可以出來了,你很快就可以出來了。然後我又等了10-15分鐘。他們是故意的。 (旁白:地方檢察官Thomas Sneddon之前已經表態說Jackson在被警方監控的時候受到了公平地對待。他和聖芭芭拉郡治安官Jim Anderson都拒絕接受我們的采訪。)

EB
當他們搜查Neverland的時候,你有什麼樣的感受?我的意思是,他們帶著搜查令,他們想要找什麼?他們想要拿走什麼?

MJ
我的房間全毀了。我的雇員告訴我的。他們說,“Michael,別進你的臥室。我的雇員們在電話上哭起來了,他們說,如果你看到你房間什麼樣的話,你會哭的。通向我的床的是一段樓梯。他們說,你連樓梯都不要上,那房間完全廢了。”80個員警去過那個房間,80個員警去過那個臥室!這真的太過火了。他們還用刀把我的床墊給撕得粉碎。把所有的東西都撕得粉碎。

EB
他們從Neverland拿走什麼東西了嗎?

MJ
我不清楚他們拿走了什麼。他們從沒給我一份清單。

EB
但你說他們毀壞了你的財物?

MJ
是的,他們確實那樣做了。他們把所有工作人員都鎖在屋外,他們在屋子裏為所欲為。他們濫用了職權,去了很多他們不該去的地方——比如我的辦公室。他們的搜查令上沒有許可他們去那些地方。他們完全是在濫用職權。房間被完全,完全的損毀了,我的雇員們告訴我的。我認為我不會想要看到它。我還沒有準備好去看它。

EB
那麼,你還沒回去過?

MJ
我回去過。但沒有去我的臥室。我不會再在那裏生活了。我只會走訪Neverland。它現在只是一所房子,不再是一個家了。我只會偶爾去走訪走訪……現在什麼時間了?我身上很疼痛。很疼。我過一會就要走了。是的,就這樣吧。我身子感覺不好。 (旁白:Michael Jackson還是呆下來告訴了我們他為什麼依然認為和孩子睡覺是恰當的原因,也對那指控方家庭作了一番抨擊。這不是Michael Jackson第一次遭受性騷擾指控了。十年前,另外一個男童曾對他提起過猥褻指控,但Jackson並沒有被起訴。在花數百萬美元與控方家庭庭外和解後,那男童拒絕出庭作證。這次這個家庭不打算提起民事訴訟以要求金錢賠償,但Michael Jackson並不買帳。)

MJ
貪婪乘虛而入。有些人——我不想指名,——完全被金錢利益所驅動。看哪,是Michael Jackson。看看我們能怎麼樣?我們可以從他那兒搞到錢……”這就是真相。

EB
你幫他戰勝了癌癥……我現在所不能理解的是,——當然你說這是為了錢——,為什麼他會倒戈說,“Michael Jackson性侵犯了我。這是否是真的?

MJ
因為父母可以操縱孩子們。他們覺得必須按照他們父母說的那樣去做。但金錢是萬惡之源。那是一個可愛的孩子。看到他這樣,我不認為這是他的錯。不是他的錯。

EB
那麼,你認為這不是他的錯?那……

MJ
不是。

EB
……那是他父母的錯?

MJ
是的。不是他的錯。不是。我瞭解他的為人。 (旁白:Jackson說如果可能的話,他在1993年就不會和解那樁性騷擾指控。)

EB
1993年類似的指控發出時,你也是清白的?

MJ
當然。

EB
那麼——如果你是清白的,為什麼你要付錢給他們,為什麼你要保持沉默?我的意思是,為什麼你不上法庭,為你的名譽而戰?我的意思是……

MJ
我不獲準談論這個…… (一個男聲:我要打斷你一下。)

EB
當然行。 (旁白Jackson的辯護律師Mark Geragos告訴我說,如果我想要答案,我得問他。)

MARK GERAGOS
我的意思是,回想10年前發生在他身上的事情,那他真的被羞辱了。他被某些人驗身、拍照。他被人羞辱了,因為他們用最可怕的方式驗著他的私處,還進行拍攝。他被迫接受這樣的你永遠不能想像的侮辱。如果是我在當時那種情況下,我會想,……如果錢能讓這可怕的一切走開的話,那麼……也許當時他就這樣想的。我不知道,我也不想再去做猜測。

EB
……結果是公眾看到這樣的事情上演了兩次,而不是一次。這兩個男孩在過去十年裏走出來指控他性騷擾。而他則在公眾面前說他喜歡和孩子們同床共枕。你覺得公眾的感覺會是什麼嗎?他們會覺得,嘿,沒準真有那麼回事。這造成了很多的迷思。

MARK GERAGOS
是的,很多的迷思。但想要揭開迷思的那些人誤導了真相。我理解人們的想法,看,現在又有(受害)人站出來了。但我,我認為,如果公平的話,大多數人會理解的。大多數人會明白這起案件不過是為了錢。 (旁白我們曾邀請原告的母親向我們講述她的故事,但是她拒絕了,而且沒有授權任何人代表她講話。)

EB
你並不喜歡去年2月英國記者的紀錄片……

MJ
是的,我不喜歡。

EB
你,你在紀錄片中說你和很多孩子同屋睡過。

MJ
是的。

EB
你說,我來引用一下你說的話,為什麼你不可以和他們同睡?和某個人一起睡覺是最能表達愛意的一種方式。

MJ
是的。

EB
就像,就像我們今天坐在這裏,你仍然認為和孩子們同睡是可以接受的嗎?

MJ
當然,當然,為什麼不呢?如果你想做戀童癖,如果你想做開膛手傑克,如果你想做謀殺犯,那當然不是個好主意,而我不是那種人。人們是這樣教育我們的,而我沒有和那孩子一起睡在床上,即使我和他睡在一起也沒問題。我睡在地板上,我把床留給了那孩子。

EB
但考慮到你經歷的……

MJ
什麼?

EB
考慮到那些指控,那些旁敲側擊——為什麼你還要把自己放在這樣一個位置上,讓這種事情再度發生呢?

MJ
噢,我一直很警惕。但我永遠不會停止去幫助和關愛他人,就像耶穌說過的那樣。他說,繼續去愛,永遠去愛。記著孩子們。學習孩子們。不是學習幼稚,而是學習純真。
(旁白:這也許聽上去很天真,但Jackson的律師Mark Geragos說他們採取過預防措施)

MARK GERAGOS
27310這段時間裏,無論何時Michael和他們在一起,總有第三方的人在旁。一直。

EB
那麼那些關於灌酒的指控呢?說是為了讓這個孩子喝醉了後更順服?

MARK GERAGOS
可笑!我的意思是,這一看就太可笑了。牧場裏隨時都有超過100名員工在,到處都有全天候的保安。到處都有人在,一周7天,每天24小時。他們都被指示要保證沒人會那樣做。那些孩子根本沒有靠近過酒精。

EB
你是個父親了,你有三個孩子。

MJ
是的。

EB
你會允許你的孩子們和一個成年人同睡一床嗎?那人不是你的親戚,或者說同睡一屋?

MJ
當然,如果我瞭解那個人,信任他,愛他的話。我小時候曾和許多那樣的人一起睡過。

EB
你作為一個父親,會讓你的孩子們和一個受到和你同樣指控的人一起睡覺嗎?你會那樣做嗎?

MJ
某一個人……

EB
如果你瞭解這個人,他受到同樣……

MJ
我沒有……

EB
像那樣的指控……

MJ
埃德,我很清楚你的意思。

EB
和針對你的一樣……你會讓你的孩子們……

MJ
我的孩子們?

EB
……睡在那個人的房間內?

MJ
嗯,如果我個人瞭解那個人,因為我知道那些媒體,那些人會扭曲事實,如果我個人瞭解那個人的話,我當然會,當然,我覺得這沒什麼問題。

EB
你知道其他很多人會怎麼看嗎?我意思是你知道嗎?

MJ
什麼怎麼看?

EB
你和孩子們同睡的事……

MJ
你知道為什麼嗎?人們會想到性,他們會想到性,但我的腦子裏沒有那種想法,當我看到孩子們時,我看到了上帝的臉龐,那是我為什麼喜歡孩子的原因。那是我所看到的。

EB
你還知道一些其他和你一樣年齡,45歲的男人和孩子們同睡一屋的嗎?

MJ
當然,但不是為了性,不,那是不對的。

EB
好吧,讓我,讓我來說說吧,依我的觀點,我的經驗來看,我不認識任何一個已經45歲且不是孩子們親戚的卻和他們同睡一屋的男人。

MJ
嗯,和他們一起睡有什麼不妥呢?我沒有說我睡在床上,即使我真的是睡在床上,好吧,我不會對一個孩子有性方面的要求。那不是我心裏想的,我絕不會那樣做,那不是Michael Jackson。對不起,那是其他人。

EB
那麼這件事對你的事業有什麼影響?

MJ
對我的事業有什麼影響?

EB
對你的事業有什麼影響?

MJ
指什麼方面?

EB
是如何影響你的事業的……你知道……

MJ
……我的專輯……

EB
巡演,唱片銷售……

MJ
……唱片在世界各地都是第一名,世界各地,美國是個例外,因為我,我不想說那麼多的理由。

EB
但是在美國你沒拿到冠軍?

MJ
那是個陰謀,是的,我覺得厭倦了。 (旁白在Michael Jackson的律師結束這次采訪前,我們問了他最後一個問題。)

EB
Michael,你要對你的歌迷們,在這段時間內一直支持你的歌迷們說些什麼呢?而今天,他們當中可能也有問題要問你?你要對他們說些什麼呢?

MJ
嗯,我想對他們說我非常愛他們,而我,我——他們得知了我的事,知道了我發生的一切。但是如果你想真正瞭解我,有一首我寫的歌,這是我寫的最真實的一首歌。這是我寫過的最能講述我自己的一首歌,它就是“Childhood”(童年),他們應該去聽聽那首歌。那首歌他們真的應該要聽,非常感謝你們的支持,世界各地的歌迷,我真心的愛你們,我是說真的,真的,我非常愛你們,全世界的歌迷。
CBS '60 Minutes' interview - December 2003
 
ED BRADLEY: What is your response to the allegations that were brought by the district attorney in Santa Barbara , that you molested this boy?
MICHAEL JACKSON: Totally false. Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists. I would never hurt a child. It's totally false. I was outraged. I could never do something like that.
EB: This is a kid you knew?
MJ: Yes.
EB: How would you characterize your relationship with this boy?
MJ: I've helped many, many, many children, thousands of children, cancer kids, leukemia kids. This is one of many.
EB: So, when he would come over, what would he do? What would you do?
MJ: I'll tell you exactly. When I first saw (BLEEP), he was total bald-headed, white as snow from the chemotherapy, very bony, looked anorexic, no eyebrows, no eyelashes. And he was so weak, I would have to carry him from the house to the game room, or push him in a wheelchair, to try to give him a childhood, a life. Cause I felt bad. Because I never had that chance, too, as a child. You know? That the-- and so, I know what it... it felt like in that way. Not being sick, but not having had a childhood. So, my heart go out to those children I feel their pain.
Michael says he tried to help in the healing process by taking the boy around the grounds of Neverland to Jackson ’s favorite places.
MJ: He had never really climbed a tree. So, I had this tree that I have at Neverland. I call it, "My Giving Tree." Cause I like to write songs up there. I've written many songs up there. So, I said, "You have to climb a tree. That's part of boyhood. You just gotta do it." And-- I helped him up. And once he went up... up the tree, we looked down on the branches. And it was so beautiful. It was magical. And he loved it. To give him a chance to have a life, you know? Because he was told he wa s going to die. They told him. They told his-- his parents prepare for his funeral, that's how bad it was. And I put him on a program. I've helped many children doing this. I put him on a mental program.
EB: What was going through your mind when you're taken into a police station, in handcuffs, to have a mug shot taken, that you know is gonna be shown around the world?
MJ: They did it to try and belittle me, to try and to take away my pride. But I went through the whole system with them. And at the end, I... I wanted the public to know that I was okay, even though I was hurting.
EB: What happened when they arrested you? What did they do to you?
MJ: They were supposed to go in, and just check fingerprints, and do the whole thing that they do when they take somebody in. They manhandled me very roughly. My shoulder is dislocated, literally. It's hurting me very badly. I'm in pain all the time. This is, see this arm? This is as far as I can reach it. Same with this side over here.
EB: Because of what happened at the police station?
MJ: Yeah. Yeah. At the police station. And what they did to me... if you... if you saw what they did to my arms... it was very bad what they did. It's very swollen. I don't wanna say. You'll see. You'll see .
EB: How did they do it? I mean, what, physically, what did they do?
MJ: With the handcuffs, the way they tied 'em too tight behind my back...
EB: Behind your back?
MJ: Yeah. And putting it, they put it in a certain position, knowing that it's going to hurt, and affect my back. Now I can't move. I... I... it keeps me from sleeping at night. I can't sleep at night.
And Michael says there was more:
MJ: Then one time, I asked to use the restroom. And they said, "Sure, it's right around the corner there." Once I went in the restroom, they locked me in there for like 45 minutes. They was doo doo , feces thrown all over the walls, the floor, the ceiling. And it stunk so bad. Then one of the policemen came by the window. And he made a sarcastic remark. He said, "Smell... does it smell good enough for you in there? How do you like the smell? Is it good?" And I just simply said, "It's alrig ht. It's okay." So, I just sat there, and waited.
EB: For 45 minutes?
MJ: Yeah, for 45 minutes. About 45 minutes. And then-- then one cop would-- come by, and say, "Oh, you'll be out in-- in a second. You'll be out in a second." Then there would be another ten minutes added on, then another 15 minutes added on. They did this on purpose.
EB: How did you feel when they went into Neverland, I mean, with a search warrant? I mean, what were they looking for? What did they take?
MJ: My room is a complete wreck. My workers told me. They said, "Michael, don't go in your room." They were crying on the phone, my employees. They said, "If you saw your room, you would cry." I have stairs that go up to my bed. And they said, "You can't even get up the stairs. The room is totally trashed." And they had 80 policemen in this room, 80 policemen in one bedroom. That's really overdoing it//They took knives, and cut open my mattresses with knives. C-- just cut everything open.
EB: Did-- did they take anything from Neverland?
MJ: A... I'm not sure what they took. They never gave me a list.
EB: But you're saying that they destroyed your property?
MJ: Yes, they did. And then they, what they did was they made everybody that work at the property (SIC), they locked everybody out of the house. They had the whole house to themselves to do whatever they wanted. And-- they totally took advantage. They went into areas they weren't supposed to go into-- like my office. They didn't have search warrants for those places. And they totally took advantage. And the room is a total, total wreck, they told me. I don't think I wanna see it. I'm not ready to see it yet.
EB: So, you haven't been back there?
MJ: I've been back there. But not in my bedroom. I won't live there ever again. I'll visit Neverland. It's a house now. It's not a home anymore. I'll only visit there.What time is it? Cause I'm hurting. You know what? I'm... I'm hurting. I have to go pretty soon anyway. Yeah. Okay. I don't feel good.
Michael goes on to talk about how he thinks it's all about the money...
MJ: Somewhere greed got in there, and somebody... I... I can't quite say. But it has to do with money. It's Michael Jackson. Look what we have here. We can get money out of this//That's exactly what happened.
EB: You had helped him with his cancer. ...What I don't understand is why today and I know you say it’s money, but ...why would he turn around and say, "Michael Jackson sexually molested me," if it weren't true?
MJ: Because parents have power over children. They feel they have to do what their parents say ...But...the love of money is the root of all evil. And this is a sweet child. And to see him turn like this, this isn't him. This is not him
EB: So, you don't think this comes from him? This...
MJ: No.
EB: ...comes from his parents?
MJ: No. This is not him. No. I know his heart
Michael said he would NEVER settle this case.
EB: When the accusations that were made, the allegations back in 1993, you were innocent of those allegations then?.
MJ: Yes.
EB: So-- if you were innocent, why would you pay, I mean, to keep you quiet? I mean, why not go into court, and fight for your good name? I mean-
MJ: I'm not allowed to talk on that
Male Voice: I'm gonna stop you for a second.
EB: Sure.
Mark Geragos (Michael's Lawyer): I mean, remember what happened to him ten years ago. He was humiliated. He was... he went through where somebody... was examining him. Was photographing him. Was having him-- humiliating him in the worst way in terms of looking at his private parts and photographing his private parts. And... and he was subjected to some of the most, just intrusive kinds of things that you could ever imagine. I can only try to put myself into that situation and... and say look; If money could make that situation go away, maybe that... that was the calculus then. I don't know and I don't wanna second guess it
EB: But-- but what you end up with is the public perception that this has happened not once, this has happened twice. That young boys have... have come forward to accuse him of... of sexual molestation over the last ten years. And he has made public comments about how he enjoys sharing his bed with children. Can you understand how the public might feel that, hey, maybe there's something here. There's a lot of smoke.
Mark Geragos: Well, look. There's a lot of smoke. But a lot of the people who blow the smoke are-- are twisting what's happened. I understand when people say, now, there's somebody else who came forward. But I... I think, in all fairness, most people 'get it.' Most people understand that this case is not about anything but money.
EB: That British documentary last February-- which you didn't like
MJ: Yeah, I didn't like it.
EB: You... you said in that documentary that... that many children have slept in your bedroom.
MJ: Yeah.
EB: You said, and-- and I'm gonna (SIC) quote here, "Why can't you share your bed? A most loving thing to do is to share your bed with... with someone."
MJ: Yes.
EB: As-- as we sit here today, do you still think that it's acceptable to share your bed with children?
MJ: Of course. Of course. Why not? If you're gonna be a pedophile, if you're gonna be Jack, the Ripper, if you're gonna be a murderer, it's not a good idea. That I'm not. That's how we were raised. And I met... I didn't sleep in the bed with the child. Even if I did, it's okay. I slept on the floor. I give the bed to the child.
EB: You're a parent. You've got three children.
MJ: Yes.
EB: Would you allow your children to sleep in the bed with a grown man, who was not a relative, or to sleep in the bedroom?
MJ: Sure, if I know that person, trust them, and love them. That's happened many times with me when I was little.
EB: Would you, as a parent, allow your children to sleep in the same bedroom with someone, who has the suspicions and allegations that have been made against you, and about you today? Would you allow that?
MJ: Someone
EB: If you knew someone, who had the same
MJ: I'm not
EB: kind of allegations...
MJ: Ed, I... I know exactly what you're saying.
EB: --that were made against you-- would you let your children...
MJ: My children?
EB: ...sleep in that man's bedroom?
MJ: Mmm, if I... if I knew the person personally. Cause I know how the press is, and how people can twist the truth, if I knew the person personally, absolutely yes. Absolutely. I wouldn't have a problem with it.
EB: Do you know how this looks to a lot of people? I mean, do you understand that?
MJ: How does what look?
EB: How the fact that you...
MJ: Know why? People think sex. They're thinking sex. My mind doesn't run that way. When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see.
EB: Do you know any other man your age, a 45 year old man, who shares his bedroom with children?
MJ: Of course. Not for sex. No. That's wrong.
EB: Well, let me... let me say, from my perspective, my experience, I don't know any 45 year old men, who are not relatives of the children, who share their bedroom with other children.
MJ: Well, what's wrong with sharing your bed? I didn't say I slept in the bed. Even if I did sleep in the bed, it's okay. I am not going to do anything sexual to a child. It's not where my heart is. I would never do anything like that. That's not Michael Jackson. I'm sorry. That's someone else.
EB: What... what has this done to your career?
MJ: What... what has it done to my career?
EB: What has it done to your career?
MJ: In what way?
EB: How has it impacted-- you know...
MJ: I'm... my album...
EB: ...touring, record sales...
MJ: --album is number one all over the world. All over the world. America is the only one, because I... I don't wanna say too much.
EB: But it's not number one in the United States ?
MJ: It's a conspiracy. Yeah. I’m getting tired.
EB: Michael, what would you say to you-- your fans, who have supported you through all of this, and... and who today, some of them might have questions? What would you say to them?
MJ: Well, I would tell them I love them very much. And I... I... they've learned about me, and know about me from a distance. But if you really want to know about me, there's a song I wrote, which is the most honest song I've ever written. It's the most autobiographical song I've ever written. It's called, "Childhood." They should listen to it. That's the one they really should listen to. And thank you for your support, the fans around the world. I love you with all my heart. I don't take a ny of it for granted. Any of it. And I love them dearly, all over the world.






 

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